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Comments on: Light on the Subject https://voynichportal.com/2019/03/23/light-on-the-subject/ Ruminations about the mysterious 15th century "cipher manuscript" Tue, 09 Apr 2019 21:50:07 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.3 By: R. Sale https://voynichportal.com/2019/03/23/light-on-the-subject/#comment-11513 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 21:50:07 +0000 https://voynichportal.com/?p=7448#comment-11513 Okay, I get your point – maintaining an ideological neutrality. But at the same time you are also wearing artificially imposed blinders, if you neglect a pan-European tradition that was contemporary with the VMs parchment dates. Consider what has happened for all the years of VMs investigation using neutral terms like meandering or wobbly, in comparison – when the light comes on – to the use of the proper, traditional terminology for the nebuly line, and how much that helps to clarify the interpretation of the VMs cosmos, etc.

Besides which, the basics of heraldry are a restricted and fairly simple topic. A quick look through a source like the heraldica.org “Atlas” will give you a running start.

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By: J.K. Petersen https://voynichportal.com/2019/03/23/light-on-the-subject/#comment-11484 Sun, 07 Apr 2019 14:55:57 +0000 https://voynichportal.com/?p=7448#comment-11484 In reply to R. Sale.

R. Sale, I appreciate your knowledge in this matter, but I have no knowledge of heraldry terms and would probably use them wrongly. Plus, I was trying to make the reference as neutral as possible, which is why I chose “infurled” and “double infurled” to describe the shape, rather than words that tend to imply a certain use or tradition.

We don’t know why this shape was chosen for the map. It MIGHT mean a celestial sphere, it might be a reference to a physical pattern in nature, it might be misdirection, or it might be a shape intended to tie this folio with others. Until I understand it better, I’m reluctant to give it a more specific name.

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By: R. Sale https://voynichportal.com/2019/03/23/light-on-the-subject/#comment-11473 Sat, 06 Apr 2019 22:51:19 +0000 https://voynichportal.com/?p=7448#comment-11473 Interesting to see that further examples of cloud bands are still being added to those of the old “wolkenband” discussion. I believe that finding examples that are similar to the VMs patterns in the Center and Center Right Rosettes still has the potential to inform further investigations.

My question is about your use of the term ‘infurled’. I looked for examples or a definition, but found neither. Why not use terminology that comes from heraldry and can be shown to be prior to the VMs parchment dates? Rather than ‘double-infurled’, I see traditional engrailed and invected lines used in combination.

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By: Linda https://voynichportal.com/2019/03/23/light-on-the-subject/#comment-11355 Mon, 25 Mar 2019 11:37:40 +0000 https://voynichportal.com/?p=7448#comment-11355 Sorry you are having trouble. My comment was thanking you for the lifting idea, to me it adds another dimension to the idea of religion through time, as i had already lifted parts of the central and 6th rotums due to their ethereal bands, as standing for mono and multitheistic groupings respectively. With the lifting, they are included but now more comes into the mix, and the ethereal becomes past, with the others standing for present. Also the elements are for me those same four, rather than the corners.

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By: J.K. Petersen https://voynichportal.com/2019/03/23/light-on-the-subject/#comment-11349 Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:46:03 +0000 https://voynichportal.com/?p=7448#comment-11349 I am sorry the comments have disappeared. I am having problems with the new version of WordPress.

I could not recover them from a cache (WordPress rebuilds the page), even when I tried with the browser offline. I also couldn’t restore them by restoring an old revision of the blog (the comments are handled by WordPress separately). My apologies. I’m probably more unhappy about it than anyone.

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