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Comments on: An Enciphered Herbal https://voynichportal.com/2020/09/22/an-enciphered-herbal/ Ruminations about the mysterious 15th century "cipher manuscript" Sat, 19 Jun 2021 14:22:07 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.3 By: Laura https://voynichportal.com/2020/09/22/an-enciphered-herbal/#comment-16184 Sat, 19 Jun 2021 14:22:07 +0000 https://voynichportal.com/?p=9767#comment-16184 Sorry root instead of roof.

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By: Laura https://voynichportal.com/2020/09/22/an-enciphered-herbal/#comment-16183 Sat, 19 Jun 2021 13:21:08 +0000 https://voynichportal.com/?p=9767#comment-16183 Thanks for your reply. Well I think it says oracle vertically. The first character near the roof is “h” from palmirene or Palestine siriac the following “o” and the “v” Hov in hebrew and if you read horizontally the same combination the first character turns into ‘t’ in our Latin alphabet, o and the last one v Tov in hebrew as well. All in all TOV HOV That means good oracle, good star, good horoscope, good destiny. In modern hebrew TOV is rarely used except when they congratulate just married couples.
Otherwise I love your investigation work about plants is really outstanding.
A question for you. what do you think the stick which the woman in the middle is holding when they are descending the river means? Gerard Cheshire translated it as a stick to measure the depth of the water and he was wrong.

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By: J.K. Petersen https://voynichportal.com/2020/09/22/an-enciphered-herbal/#comment-16180 Sat, 19 Jun 2021 03:17:05 +0000 https://voynichportal.com/?p=9767#comment-16180 In reply to Laura.

It don’t think it’s enciphered, Laura. I think it says “rot” (it’s written the same way horizontally in another plant, pointed out by MarcoP). It’s probably German for “red”.

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By: Laura https://voynichportal.com/2020/09/22/an-enciphered-herbal/#comment-16076 Wed, 09 Jun 2021 09:03:48 +0000 https://voynichportal.com/?p=9767#comment-16076 To J.K Petersen. Did you notice the encyphered message in the stem of the plant in folio 4?I’ve been studying the manuscript for three years now, many hours a day. It might clarify its content along with some plants you didn’t mention which are the most important. I also have some interesting information about the women section folio 75 and 78. You might contact me. Sorry my English is not perfect.

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By: Yulia https://voynichportal.com/2020/09/22/an-enciphered-herbal/#comment-14539 Thu, 05 Nov 2020 19:18:06 +0000 https://voynichportal.com/?p=9767#comment-14539 Thanks JKP! It is really interesting what is the reason of that. It seems it is not unique. Probably the VMs marginalia of the folios f17r and 66r demonstrate the same method. But we still read the overlayed symbols (not all, of course).

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By: bi3mw https://voynichportal.com/2020/09/22/an-enciphered-herbal/#comment-14342 Wed, 30 Sep 2020 12:17:49 +0000 https://voynichportal.com/?p=9767#comment-14342 Thanks JKP, these are very interesting observations. I wonder what motivated the author to encrypt the plant labels (afterwards). The method is rather simple (if you think about it). In any case it is good to know that something like this exists. I did not know it before.

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By: J.K. Petersen https://voynichportal.com/2020/09/22/an-enciphered-herbal/#comment-14306 Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:15:07 +0000 https://voynichportal.com/?p=9767#comment-14306 In reply to Nick Pelling.

Thank you, Nick. And thank you for calling my attention to Dark Archives (great name) and Charles Burnett. I was unaware of either one.

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By: Nick Pelling https://voynichportal.com/2020/09/22/an-enciphered-herbal/#comment-14305 Thu, 24 Sep 2020 12:31:12 +0000 https://voynichportal.com/?p=9767#comment-14305 Great post, JK, well done! 🙂

One of the talks in the recent Dark Archives conference extensively discussed the same cipher in the context of early mediaeval ciphers. Charles Burnett also wrote at least one paper on it, calling it the “magical alphabet” because of its frequent appearance in charms and other magical recipes.

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By: Koen Gheuens https://voynichportal.com/2020/09/22/an-enciphered-herbal/#comment-14297 Tue, 22 Sep 2020 22:08:54 +0000 https://voynichportal.com/?p=9767#comment-14297 Interesting to see such a concrete example of a cipher in a herbal manuscript. More often than not, it looks like the real letter was written first and then a line was added to change it into the cipher form. But sometimes the cipher form seems original as well. So someone who intended to write in cipher but forgot sometimes? Or someone who came along later and decided to cipher it up?

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